In this talk, I will introduce the Moran process and its high popuation limit the Kimura equation, and explain how they are related to Wasserstein gradient flows. Indeed, the degeneracy of the diffusion at the boundaries leads to the study of a conditioned version of the dynamics, that can be seen as a Wasserstein gradient flow, with degenerate underlying geometry, involving the Shahshahani metric. Finally, we will see that the dissipation induced by the hidden gradient flow in the continuous setting is a good approximation of the dissipation in the discrete setting in its high population limit.